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Cabernet and Pray

Cabernet and Pray

Hosted by: Jeremy Jernigan

Cabernet & Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each...

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Saints, Sinners, and Clickers (with Matthew Distefano) | Ep. 74

What do saints, sinners, and zombies have in common? In this episode, Jeremy sits down with author Matthew DiStefano to talk about his book on The Last of Us, the video game that somehow became one of the most...
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The Feral Spirit (with Ben Price) | Ep. 73

Ben introduces the idea of the "feral spirit," a way of understanding spiritual encounter that doesn't require institutional scaffolding to be real. He talks about what happens when churches try to manufacture the...
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The Congruent Life (with C.E. Jarnagin) | Ep. 72

What do you do when the very people who introduced you to Jesus can no longer recognize the Jesus your faith has led you to? C.E. Jarnagin is a priest, researcher, and author who's asking that exact question in his...
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Finding Beauty in Distinctions (with Bethany Cseh) | Ep. 71

Bethany Cseh is a pastor who spent years standing at a pulpit she wasn't sure she was allowed to occupy, internally justifying each sermon as something other than what it actually was. That tension turned out to be...
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Church as a Public Library (with Beau Stringer) | Ep. 70

Beau Stringer spent years as a lead pastor in evangelical spaces. He's on the other side of that now, working in adult discipleship at one of the largest United Methodist churches in the country and making the case...
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Psychological Safety (with Anthony Parrott) | Ep. 69

What does it actually take for a church to be a safe place? Anthony Parrott, co-pastor of Table Church DC, has spent 17 years in ministry and a lifetime accumulating enough theology to know when it...
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Where Satire Meets Spirituality (with Stuart Delony) | Ep. 68

What happens when a former pastor trades the pulpit for a microphone? In this episode, we sit down with Stuart Delony, host of Snarky Faith and author of The Tribulation Survival Guide, for a conversation that is...
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Faith and the Public Square (with Collin Packer) | Ep. 67

This week on Cabernet & Pray, we sit down with Collin Packer for a conversation that feels as honest as it is necessary. Collin shares his journey from fundamentalist pastor to working in the Texas State House,...
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The Mountains Shall Drip Sweet Wine (with John Anthony Dunne) | Ep. 66

What if the Bible’s most familiar wine stories have been quietly misunderstood all along? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, Jeremy sits down with New Testament scholar John Anthony Dunne, author of The Mountains...
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The Atheist Pentecostal (with Colten Barnaby) | Ep. 65

What happens when someone can no longer believe in God—but still can’t let go of Jesus, Pentecostalism, or the church that formed them? In this episode, Jeremy sits down with Colten Barnaby, who calls himself an...
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Cathedrals of Connection (with Matt Mattson) | Ep. 64

What if the most sacred spaces in your life aren’t churches at all, but ordinary moments of shared humanity? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, Jeremy sits down with author and spiritual guide Matthew G. Matson to...
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Beyond Deconstruction (with James McGrath) | Ep. 63

What comes after deconstruction? In this episode, I sit down with James McGrath to talk about what it looks like to move beyond tearing faith down and begin the slower, braver work of rebuilding it with honesty,...
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